The National Gathering for Graduate Students

The National Gathering for Graduate Students

The DUDES Club team was invited to present at the National Gathering for Graduate Students, Institute of Aboriginal Peoples Health, hosted by CIHR. The conference is hosted annually, and typically kept small and specific, so our team felt quite honoured to have been invited to present. Any opportunity to share the DUDES Club message is greatly appreciated. This gathering, in particular, was very valuable because we had the opportunity to talk to future health care professionals – people who hold the potential to make a large difference in indigenous peoples’ daily lives.

We arrived the evening of the 13th to catch the end of the award ceremony and dinner. It was a great networking opportunity, and our team was happy to see familiar and unfamiliar faces alike. We made some good connections that evening, in preparation for the following day.

The next day started at 7:30, with breakfast, then several sessions followed by a health break. The sessions were very interesting, all focusing on indigenous peoples health; for example, the results of one study indicated that if indigenous youths and teens are connected to their culture, they are less likely to use or abuse substances. Our presentation was scheduled to start in the late morning. Having been allotted 75 minutes of time, we were able to go through our PowerPoint, share our documentary, and have time for questions. The presentation was a huge success, and it sparked a lot of conversation afterwards. The networking dinner that evening provided many connections regarding our work with the DUDES. It was a great day!

The team after our presentation.

The team after our presentation.

We spent one extra day in Ottawa beyond the conference to attend some meetings with local indigenous groups. We were able to meet with members of Wabano to discuss potential partnering for an event coming up in September. In the afternoon we met with the First Nations and Inuit Health Branch, to share our documentary and some of our findings. This was another very successful meeting – FNIHB agreed to collaborate during the September event as well.  

Altogether, this trip to Ottawa was incredibly successful. Our message was well-received by a room of interested future health care providers, and we were able to connect with some important individuals regarding policy.

Hike Swɘyqe?!

(This phrase was created by our Musqueam Elder, Henry Charles. It translates to “Cool Man”, which we say after every meeting to mean “The DUDES” because we are cool men).

Indigenous Health Conference: Lessons learned

And we’re off! Another trip to spread the word of the DUDES. Our team travelled to Toronto to present at the Indigenous Health Conference, held May 26-27th. This conference is one of the only Indigenous Health Conferences in the country – a great opportunity to network and share the DUDES experiences. Individuals from every province and territory in Canada, along with international visitors, were present. We connected with professionals from many areas such as health care, public policy, community engagement, and research.

The conference started at 7:00 am on the 26th, so our team was up bright and early (4:00 am BC time, and most of us felt the jet lag) to see the keynote speakers. We were welcomed by Dr. Malcolm King of the Mississaugas of the New Credit First Nations, and then the conference began.

Throughout the rest of the conference, we were lucky to hear from many esteemed speakers. Margaret Froh, the newly elected president of the Métis Nation of Ontario, spoke on the history of Métis peoples, and on the recent Daniels v. Canada case (check out this link, or this one, for background information), in which it was decided that the Federal Government of Canada was responsible for the Métis people, as they are for the First Nations and Inuit. Dr. Ian Mosby discussed the nutrition experiments of residential schools, sharing some heavy and disturbing findings. Natan Obed, President of the Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami shared the experiences of Inuit peoples currently living in Canada, noting abysmal housing and food insecurity. Dr. Cindy Blackstock, Professor and Executive Director of the First Nations and Family Caring Society of Canada spoke on how the Canadian government has systemically discriminated against children living on reserves, by providing them smaller amounts of funding when on child welfare. Many other speakers were present and shared moving stories or pertinent information – for the sake of length, we shall not describe them all in this blog.

During breaks, attendees were encouraged to peruse the research poster exhibit, which was set up by attendees wishing to share their research in poster form. Throughout the conference, attendees participated in multiple workshops and viewed several oral presentations. These ranged over several topics, all related to the main theme at the conference: Health and Reconciliation.

Our team learned much information pertinent to the work we are doing with the DUDES. For example, one of the workshops, entitled “Self-Determination Applied to Research: FNIGC and the Principles of OCAP®” reaffirmed the importance of OCAP when doing research with indigenous communities. An Oral Presentation called “Holistic health and self-determination in an urban Indigenous context: Outcomes from a traditional Indigenous healthcare initiative in Vancouver, Canada” shared results of a study investigating the importance of elders. It was excellent to see research specifically on this topic, as so many of our DUDES talk about the importance of having elders present within our club. Their findings indicated that elders are indeed an integral part of culture, and thus paramount to health. They ended by reiterating this idea: “Culture saves lives.” These are only two examples of the excellent information that was shared at the conference – all members of the team attended different sessions and we all gained a lot from the experience.

After the workshop presentation. From left to right - Henry Charles, Sandy Lambert (back), Lyana Patrick (front), Dr. Paul Gross, Dr. Vicki Smye, Viviane Josewski, and Iloradanon Efimoff

After the workshop presentation. From left to right - Henry Charles, Sandy Lambert (back), Lyana Patrick (front), Dr. Paul Gross, Dr. Vicki Smye, Viviane Josewski, and Iloradanon Efimoff

During the conference, we had the opportunity to present a workshop and oral presentation on the DUDES club. Both were highly successful. During the workshop, we shared the final documentary, ran through our informative presentation, and had our elders, Henry Charles and Sandy Lambert, facilitate an open dialogue with the attendees. We had a full room, with over 30 participants. Individuals were very interested in the club: they asked questions about the health outcomes our dudes experienced while attending the program and how to start their own DUDES clubs. They also shared their own experiences and frustrations in attempting to start men’s only health groups in their communities.

The Oral Presentation was short and sweet – with 10 minutes to talk and 5 minutes for questions. This presentation focused on our qualitative findings, which come out of multiple focus groups and interviews that we have completed to date. Again, we had a full room of very attentive listeners. Our findings were well received and we connected afterwards with attendees.

Overall, the conference was a huge success. All members of the team left feeling inspired and motivated to do more for our DUDES and our communities on a wider basis. We had the opportunity to network with some great partners, and develop new relationships with individuals who were inspired by our presentations to create their own DUDES Clubs. Here’s to another conference well done!

 

 

March 2016 Pilot Site Visit

In March the team visited the pilot sites from the 6th to 9th. We have a new team member on board, and it was her first time meeting all of the DUDES and providers – what a whirlwind way to put faces to names!

We started the trip in Smithers this time, flying in Sunday evening. Around a later dinner we flushed out the final details of what we were going to be doing for the next 3 days – we were all excited as we usually are the night we arrive.

The first day we visited our DUDES at PLN in Smithers, and were able to show a rough cut of the documentary we created from our stay at Dunalter Lake in Houston in October. The guys absolutely loved it. After showing the film, we gained some valuable feedback, and had an informal discussion about the ups and downs in the group since the last time we saw them. They let us know that they have a city councilman and a lawyer still attending frequently. Our dudes in this group are a lot like foot soldiers, and they work with everyone they meet to expand the club. We also had a very powerful discussion about transgendered people’s rights and experiences in Smithers.

Smithers DUDE wearing the vest made at our retreat in October 2015.

Smithers DUDE wearing the vest made at our retreat in October 2015.

After this meeting, we took the short jaunt up to Moricetown, with a couple of the Smithers DUDES in tow, to meet with our only on-reserve DUDES club. They provided us with a wonderful dinner, of which our research assistant was asked to open. This meeting was very enlightening, as our team had not met with Moricetown prior. We learned that Moricetown has held a Men’s Kitchen, which has a very similar format to the DUDES club, for the last 20 years! Members of all ages, from children to elders, come to learn about culture, food preparation, and health. The group has strong community support and a dedicated leader, and the meeting was inspiring for our team and the Smithers DUDES who attended.

The next day we were able to have a meeting with Cormac Hickish (Health Services Administrator at Northern Health), who is a huge supporter of the program. He gave us some ideas regarding funding and sustainability that were very helpful. Afterwards, we met with the provider at the Smithers DUDES club to have a one-on-one interview about the impacts of the DUDES club, and gained some very valuable information.

The next day we flew from Smithers to Prince George (well, after an unexpected re-route through Terrace). After some scrambling due to our late arrival, we finally settled in at the hotel and met with our DUDES in Prince George. Their group has grown to include even more keen members. We shared a meal and talked about how the club had been going – they were excited that they had just been able to purchase walking shoes for the walking group that they are starting once summer truly arrives!

The next day Paul and Sandy had to leave to make it home for events on Wednesday, so Lyana and Iloradanon stayed to tie up some loose ends. They were able to secure a meeting with the interim director of FNHA to discuss project sustainability, especially on reserves. The meeting was very productive. Afterwards, Lyana and Iloradanon met with the Prince George elder for an insightful one-on-one meeting regarding the impacts of the DUDES club on the members.

After another successful pilot site visit, we parted ways for a few months. 

First ever DUDES Retreat!

About a month ago, our team just returned from an amazing experience. We held our first ever DUDES Retreat! After months of planning and hard work, our dream came to life.

It all started months ago when we threw around the idea of bringing some Vancouver DUDES up North to meet some of our DUDES in Smithers, Moricetown, and Prince George. We thought it would be excellent if guys could meet each other, so they would have the opportunity to learn from each other’s experiences, both in terms of personal well-being and their own versions of the club. We went through many renditions of the retreat – different locations, different activities (from skits to music videos) and multiple areas to focus on. We ended up with a memorable and very meaningful experience.

A view of the lake Rough Acres backs on to. 

A view of the lake Rough Acres backs on to. 

The retreat was held at a Bible Camp, called Rough Acres, in Houston, B.C. – about half an hour from Smithers. From October 1st to 4th men were able to share their experiences and support each other while sharing communal meals and fun activities like kayaking, canoeing, and of course sitting around a fire pit. The Vancouver crew, including elders, DUDES, research members, and a film crew flew up on the afternoon of the 1st. In Smithers, we met up with the Smithers DUDES, did a bit of shopping, and hit the road to Houston. When we arrived at the camp, the Prince George team was already there, just as excited as us to get started.

During the planning phase of this event, we were concerned with how all of the guys from the different sites would get along, and our research assistant spent a fair bit of time planning icebreakers. To our relief, the guys hit it off completely fine! No icebreakers needed, the fact that all of them were there for the same reason, being passionate about the DUDES model of well-being, was a much better introduction than anything we could have provided. Shortly after we arrived we ate dinner (the food, by the way, was absolutely amazing during the whole trip, with the cooks even accounting for a particularly tricky attendee with multiple dietary restrictions).

After sharing our first meal, Henry Charles, one of our Vancouver elders, said a welcoming prayer, and one of the local men from Smithers welcomed us to his territory. Then Henry and Sandy Lambert, the Vancouver elders, presented the other site elders with blankets, as thanks for them inviting us to their territory. We also presented all of the elders with vests – a very important part of our retreat – more on this later. We were just finishing with some tedious administrative work, when suddenly, out of the mist, our Moricetown DUDES arrived. We had heard that it would be unlikely they would be attending, so it was a wonderful surprise! The Moricetown DUDES facilitator had brought two teenage boys with him. This made for a diverse dynamic, with our attendees ranging from 14 to 75, both indigenous and non-indigenous, from remote to urban metropolitan sites.

A couple of our DUDES club vests.

A couple of our DUDES club vests.

Later, we watched a film created by the documentary producer from the film crew who accompanied us for the weekend. This film served as a way to introduce our film makers to the group of men, and to make them feel comfortable with each other. The film was related to the Liberian civil war and the aftermath, carrying themes of grief, brotherhood, struggle, and friendship. The men were sincerely impressed by the movie, asked many questions, and got to know each other even better. Finally, we went to bed.

The next morning breakfast was served at 7:30 – after eating we dove right into the work, with all of the guys being very eager and enthusiastic. We started off with a research update, and got feedback on our qualitative analysis from the guys (as we work from a community based participatory action approach). After a quick coffee break, our guys broke into two groups – one to do a focus group with our team researchers, and one to work on patches for our vests.

“Leave your armour at the door” is a motto of the Vancouver DUDES club. This motto effectively means that the DUDES club is a safe place for men to interact, to be vulnerable, to share experience, and to seek peer support, help, and consequently, wellness. The armour represents the “mask”, per se, that men wear when they face the world. The world today often dictates that men must be a certain way – they must be stoic, strong, unemotional, independent. Living in adverse circumstances, such as on the street, these societal rules are even more pressing, and sometimes necessary for survival. So, to symbolize the armour men wear, we decided to bring up leather vests that the men could adorn with hand-made patches. This would serve as a bonding activity for the men, and the vests themselves would be a reminder of one of the fundamental aspects of the DUDES club (solidarity and brotherhood). They might even be used in the clubs for the “DUDE of the day” or something of that nature. The four vests were embroidered with the DUDES logo over the heart, as well as the words “DUDES Club” and the community name on the back.

In order to decorate the vests, we needed an artist. Our elder/external liaison/community research assistant, Sandy Lambert, used his amazing community connections to accost an artist from Vancouver a few days before we left to help the men create vests. Allanah, our artist, did amazing work with the men. She taught them to bead, carve, draw, and paint. She was incredibly kind and patient with the men, giving them helpful tips and talking them through the art work. The men used this time not only to create art work, but also to bond. They were able to talk openly about their life experiences, both good and bad.

All the sites vests, some already adorned with their hand made patches.

All the sites vests, some already adorned with their hand made patches.

While half of our guys were working on the vest patches, the other half were participating in a focus group. The goal of the focus groups was to get feedback on the content of an online tool kit. The idea is to create some type of document or interactive website that explains all of the necessary ingredients to have a successful DUDES club. We received some very insightful feedback from the guys that will be very useful for the creation of the toolkits.

We broke for lunch, and then the two groups swapped. After another quick coffee break, guys had some free time. Some went out on the lake on canoes for some serenity and quiet time. Some continued to work on their patches for the vest. Others just hung out around the firepit or coffee pot chatting about whatever came to mind. After a delicious dinner, we had our first night out by the firepit. Elders told stories, men laughed and shared over many cups of tea and coffee. Afterwards, we went inside to watch a movie and wind down.

The next day was very open. We started off by watching a movie called “The Mask You Live In” (generously lent to us by UBC for screening on the weekend). It was an incredible documentary on masculinity, and what it means to grow up as a boy in the modern world. The movie was definitely a tear jerker, and impacted many of our men deeply, as they could see themselves, or people close to them, in those situations. Some of the men had to excuse themselves from the room, as the messages in the film hit too close to home. After the movie, we had a very moving, insightful and healing group discussion. Many of the men shared their experiences with the group, really opening up about the struggles of growing up in a society that restricts expression of self. However, one man took a different view.

After the movie was done, he said “I feel elated… I feel lifted up.” He was referring to the fact that this conversation has been started. The fact that all of us were sitting in that room together, talking about masculinity, talking about societal restraints, talking about men’s health and wellness, and being open and vulnerable with each other. This man’s stance really lightened the mood, and we finished the discussion with laughter, hugs, and a prayer.

One of the DUDES canoeing.

One of the DUDES canoeing.

After this, the rest of the day was mainly free time during which the men fished, canoed, worked on their patches, networked, shared stories, ate together, and ultimately, healed together.

One of our Vancouver elders and a DUDE around the fire pit on our last night there.

One of our Vancouver elders and a DUDE around the fire pit on our last night there.

With woe, our last evening steadily approached. Many of them men spoke of keeping in touch, some handing out email addresses and other ways to contact each other. After dinner, some men stood up to share their stories with the whole group. The evening ended on a note of intense inspiration, in a room brimming with hope and optimism. We ended the night with a sit around the firepit, and then scooted off to bed for the early start the next day.

One of the many goodbye photos.

One of the many goodbye photos.

Up at 6:30, ready to go at 7:00, we still managed to leave late, with all of the hugs, last minute goodbyes, and photographs being taken. Men didn’t want to leave – many said they hoped for this event to be annual, for more DUDES to have this experience, and to maintain the links created that weekend. At long last, the Vancouver DUDES departed in their rented minivans to the Smithers airport to catch a morning flight. With heavy but optimistic hearts we left Rough Acres, our minds filled with inspiration, hope, and happiness.

DUDES Annual Health Fair 2015

On August 20th, The Dudes Club hosted its 4th Annual Men’s Health Fair at Vancouver Native Health Society, in the Downtown Eastside. It’s an annual opportunity to showcase the innovative work of the Dudes Club (www.dudesclub.ca) but, more importantly, to provide a welcoming environment for marginalized men to access critical health screening measures and learn more about health and wellness. This year, approximately 120 men were present many of whom were able to access prostate cancer screening (thanks to Dr. Chris Zappavigna from Vancouver General Hospital), screening for sexually transmitted infections (thanks to Vancouver Coastal Health outreach nurses), liver fibroscan (thanks to the Hep C program team at VNH), and blood pressure/cardiovascular assessments (thanks to the Canadian Men’s Health Foundation). For men who would normally not present to the clinic for preventative screening measures, this health fair is breaking down the barriers and hesitations that men face when considering their health.

While men were waiting to line up for the various health stations, there was a room set up with information booths about liver and cardiovascular health. Men were also invited to participate in evaluation research of the Men’s Depression and Suicide Network at UBC, generously funded by Movember Canada. Having laid back discussions about mental health issues among men is what the Dudes Club has been doing since it began in 2010.

The stigma and societal expectations of masculinity are major hurdles that men have to overcome to share their struggles of mental or emotional issues with a health professional. Over the years, so many of the man have told us that they don’t feel comfortable telling their doctor or nurse about these issues. Much of that has been addressed by flipping the traditional medical paradigm where for years patients have been expected to come to places where health providers feel safe to practice their profession. These places are often sterile and intimidating, especially to at-risk or marginalized populations who face complex issues with housing, poverty, trauma, multiple health conditions, substance abuse and the ongoing impact of colonization. This health fair attempts to highlight the Dudes Club approach, which brings health to where men feel safe. This novel philosophy of health engagement for men has allowed them to feel more empowered and supported in the process of opening up about their health. In fact, over the years, men have shared their stories of emotional trauma with the group and been received with open arms and a shoulder to lean on by fellow Dudes Club members.

This non-threatening approach mixed in with activities (bingo, poker, sports trivia) and services (free hair cuts, social worker and nursing on-site) that men appreciate has become the winning formula for a program with very humble beginnings. The Dudes Club evaluation has shown rather convincingly that safety, trust and brotherhood are the unique ingredients that have made this program so successful for over five years.

Delicious salmon at the health fair. 

Delicious salmon at the health fair. 

As the Health Fair rounded up for yet another successful event, our highly esteemed Musqueam elder, Henry Charles, invited the men to share a nutritious barbecue feast. Henry helps ground our meetings with a focus on the aboriginal medicine wheel and traditional teachings. Men streamed away with a Dudes Club t-shirt and bag to carry some of the health information swag they had acquired at the health fair. As a sign of success, many men who had for years been disengaged with health care inquired when the next Dudes Club meeting is and if they might be able to join the clinic to see one of our physicians. These men had seen that taking care of themselves in a proactive, holistic way is just as courageous as anything else a “real man” can do these days. The Dudes Club brotherhood continues to grow thanks to events like the Annual Men’s Health Fair. 

June 2015 Pilot Site Visits

On June 22nd our team flew to Prince George for a 48 hour trip to visit our pilot sites up North. We spent the first night in Prince George talking about the successes and challenges of the project, and wondering how our pilot sites were doing. The plan was to visit sites the next day, then drive to Smithers, then visit sites in Moricetown the next day. 

The route (we flew to Prince George, and home from Smithers). We drove PG to Smithers.

The route (we flew to Prince George, and home from Smithers). We drove PG to Smithers.

Bright and early the next morning we set out to our first pilot site, at the Fire Pit in down town Prince George. It was a sunny and warm morning, so we walked from our hotel. We first stopped to admire the art work that is displayed on the wall of the Fire Pit, shown in the November 2014 blog below. The art work was done by community members and is weather proof, and is absolutely stunning.

We then started our Focus Group inside the Fire Pit with a group of their core dudes and their elder. It was a productive meeting in which we were able to discuss some of the challenges and possible solutions to those challenges. Many of the solutions the dudes are looking to implement in the months to come. This group is very interested in working, and as such they haven’t orchestrated any fun activities yet! We suggested that they do some fun stuff together, like bowling or fishing, to take the tension off of the work. We have a super hard working bunch of dudes in Prince George!

After this Focus Group meeting we had an impromptu meeting with one of our medical colleagues who is involved in the Dude’s Club in Prince George. We discussed some of the barriers to access along with the steps the dudes have taken to circumvent them. Soon after we were off to Smithers. It was a gorgeous sunny day and the drive was quite nice. The whole ride there we discussed the project or concepts related to the project. It was quite educational! We arrived just in time for a later dinner, and went to bed early.

Sun setting behind the mountains. View from Smithers. 

Sun setting behind the mountains. View from Smithers. 

The next morning we got up bright and early and were in Moricetown by 8:45 for our meeting scheduled to start at 9:00. After some room changes, we settled in a cozy little hall off of the main highway to discuss a multitude of things. In attendance were Moricetown community members, Smithers dudes and their elder (along with their honourary “dudette”!), and representatives from the First Nations Health Authority (FNHA). The FNHA is a BC organization established in 2013 to improve First Nations health.

This was a very rich meeting, filled with stories of successes, struggles, suggestions, solutions and multiple themes. Each dude’s club took advice from the other; it was a great reciprocal exchange. Not to mention the delicious breakfast provided by the band. We also discussed plans for our retreat coming up in September for our dudes. We settled on a date, space, and threw around some ideas for activities.

View on our drive to check out a possible Retreat site. Just outside of Smithers.

View on our drive to check out a possible Retreat site. Just outside of Smithers.

After this meeting we drove back to the Smithers airport, and hopped on our short plane ride back to Vancouver. Overall this was a very useful trip – all of our pilot sites seem to be doing very well, and are filled with energy to continue with the programming.

Thanks for reading. 

Dude's Club and Men's Shed Gala in Winnipeg

On May 19th to May 22nd, our team travelled to Winnipeg, Manitoba, to co-host the Men's Depression and Suicide Network Gala: "Spaces & Places for Men" Community Approaches to Supporting Men's Wellness" with the Men's Sheds at the Canadian Museum for Human Rights.

Close to 75 were in attendance, these people are local politicians, community workers, researchers and members of the community. Our Dudes Elder, Henry, got the special honour of opening the Gala along with Lionel Houston, a highly-respected Anishinaabe elder, and Damon Johnston, President of the Aboriginal Counsel of Winnipeg. Lionel shared with us a valuable cultural insight of becoming a man and women being our backbone (see video below).  

The purpose of the gala was to not only promote the Dudes club and the Men's Shed to the general public but also to start a conversation about a possible collaboration to provide a men's health initiative program for the Indigenous men of Winnipeg. There are a limited number of Men's health programs across Canada, and a First Nation focused men's health program are even more scarce. According to Census Canada, Winnipeg has the largest community of First Nations living in a central metropolitan area and also the highest total number of Aboriginals living off reserve in Canada. This highlighted the importance of this opportunity to showcase the Dudes Club, considering its dedicated focus on Indigenous men.

We like to thank the UBC Men's Depression and Suicide Network and Movember Canada for inviting us to Winnipeg to share the success story of our Dudes Club. Also special thanks to Damon Johnston of the Aboriginal Counsel for giving us sweet grass, which we will take back to Vancouver and share with our Dudes.

November 2014 Pilot Site Visit

On November 17th, several members of the Dudes Club Vancouver embarked on a 4 day trip up to Prince George, Smithers and Moricetown to talk to organizers, community members and stakeholders about launching local Dudes Clubs.

When we arrived at Prince George Monday morning, the weather was a chilly -10.9 degrees C. Luckily, the folks at the Ramada was kind enough to let us into our rooms early so we didn't have to drag our luggage with us while we walked around in the cold doing last minute errands.  Afterwards, the team held a successful focus group discussion with the team from Central Interior Native Health in the early afternoon and another focus group from the people at the Fire Pit later that evening.

 

The next morning we were excited to find out we were invited to a Potlatch hosted by the members of the Fire pit.  It was an eye opener for the few of us that had never been to one before. Almost everyone from the community even members from the local police department came and participated. The organizers kept serving us with food and gifts that unfortunately we didn't get a chance to take any pictures.

Wednesday morning we took an early flight from Prince George up to Smithers (it was warmer on Wednesday!). The team flew up on a small plane (Beechcraft 1900D) and we were able to see the pilots and the cockpit from the passenger zone.

Once we landed we went to Bulkey Valley Hospital to pick up our friend Cormac and went straight to Moricetown and presented the Dudes Club Vancouver at the Moricetown Multiplex. 

 

On our last day, we visited the Positive Living North in Smithers and had another successful focus group meeting with the organizers and community members. We were overwhelmed by the great response we had from these guys that it felt like a regular Dudes meeting in Vancouver! Food was well catered for by the organizers Melanie and Steve and it was a wonderful treat to be able to talk to these guys (and girls). It looked like everything is coming together in Smithers and we can't wait to hear back from their progress from their meetings so far.